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 Post subject: Myths and Truths about Tiananmen
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:24 am 
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4 June demonstrations as reminder of the so-called massacre of Tiananmen of 1989 would not have been relatively muted in the year of the Beijing Olympics had it not been for the mourning of earthquake victims and the bizzare protests against the Olympic torch relay.

Before we start pointing figures, let us get to the bottom of the facts instead of rehashing the myths.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ ... 915gc.html

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The Tiananmen Square massacre myth

By GREGORY CLARK

China's recent ceremonies to mark the 100th anniversary of the birth of former leader Deng Xiaoping have given the Tiananmen massacre myth yet another lease of life. Most media commentators, the BBC especially, have rehashed the standard condemnation of Deng as a hardliner who instigated a massacre of harmless demonstrating students in Tiananmen Square on June 4, 1989.

Why someone who had suffered cruelly at the hands of Cultural Revolution hardliners and who did so much to push China on the path of liberalization should himself become a hardliner is not explained. Even less does anyone seem to have felt any need to check out just what actually happened in Tiananmen in 1989. Eyewitness accounts that say there was no massacre have been conveniently ignored. Blatantly anti-Beijing propaganda accounts have been unquestioningly accepted. Fortunately we now have a source whose sober impartiality cannot possibly be doubted, namely the de-classified reports from the U.S. Embassy in Beijing at the time (see Google under Tiananmen, Document 30 especially).

They confirm that there was no massacre in the square, that almost all the students who had been demonstrating there for two weeks had left the square quietly in the early hours of June 4, and that the real incident was panicky fighting triggered by crowds attacking troops, initially unarmed, as they headed for the square on June 3.

In the process a still indefinite number of troops, students and civilians were killed and many military vehicles were torched. Call it a mini civil war if you like, with troops eventually getting the upper hand over unarmed insurgents. But that is not a deliberate massacre of innocent students.

Curiously, the photo that most media use to illustrate the alleged student massacre shows a row of blazing army vehicles, some with crews trapped inside, in a long avenue that clearly is not part of Tiananmen Square. Indeed, the U.S. Embassy material speaks of troops only finally entering the square after some students attacked and killed a soldier in a vehicle at the entrance.

True, the Communist Party leadership under Deng later rounded up and imposed severe jail terms on student leaders involved in the Tiananmen demonstrations. But the same leadership had tried in vain to offer concessions to the students when they were camped in the square, and some of the student leaders have since admitted they were foolish to reject those concessions. Troops were only sent to remove the students when things were getting out of hand and the square needed to be cleaned up in advance of a Beijing visit by Soviet leader, Mikail Gorbachev.

Leader Li Peng later admitted that the real problem had been Beijing's inexperience in crowd control. Lacking the devices and trained police squads commonly used in the West for such control, it had had to rely on inexperienced troops.

If Beijing is to be faulted, it is for creating the conditions that encouraged the June 3 fighting outside the square. Years of insane Cultural Revolution economic policies and political oppression had created a sullen and impoverished proletariat only too willing to seize any excuse for antiregime violence. The attempt to remove the students from Tiananmen gave them that excuse.

Surprisingly, the media moralists so upset over the nonexistent Tiananmen massacre have little to say about the very brutal massacres of student demonstrators in Mexico (1968) and Thailand (1973). There, no effort was made to negotiate with or tolerate the students. They were rounded up immediately and killed in the hundreds. Yet both governments continued to enjoy Western approval. Meanwhile Beijing has had to suffer more than a decade of Western odium and sanctions for a non-massacre.

The New York Times, which should know better, recently ran an article by David Brooks opposing a EU move to lift some of these sanctions. He writes blandly of Beijing killing 3,000 students in the square. No sources are quoted. It is taken for granted that a massacre occurred.

This is not the first time Beijing has been condemned for something that did not happen. Perhaps the worst example was the Sino-Indian 1962 frontier war. As China desk officer in Canberra's foreign affairs bureaucracy at the time, I had to watch on impotently as the world, including Canberra, accused China of making an unprovoked attack on India when the evidence in front of me proved clearly that it was India that had first attacked China, across even the furthermost line of control demanded by India. It would be more than a decade before that evidence finally found the light of day. In the meantime, the myth of Chinese aggressiveness would be used to justify a raft of Western atrocities in Asia, the Vietnam intervention especially.

Another favorite of the anti-Beijing media has been alleged genocide in Tibet. This, when Tibetans, along with other minority peoples, have been allowed to have as many children as they wanted and Chinese have been subject to Beijing's one-child policies.

The latest sledgehammer aimed against Beijing, and a major reason for perpetuating the Tiananmen myth, is a claimed lack of Western-style political freedom. Whether Sinitic-culture nations with collective leaderships able to claim moral or revolutionary legitimacy -- Singapore is a good example -- should have to abide by Western-imposed standards of political conduct is debatable, particularly given the political circus we are seeing now in the U.S. But that aside, has anyone thought seriously of what would happen if China had our system of rival political parties competing for votes? First victim would be Beijing's one-child policy. The next victim would be the rest of the world as it tried to cope with the resource shortages and pollution created by a booming Chinese population. China is already destined to become a leading economic and political force in the world. The Western media should try harder to take it seriously.


Gregory Clark is a former Australian diplomat and vice president of Akita International University. A translation of this article will appear on www.gregoryclark.net


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 Post subject: What Actually Transpired : Tiananmen Students
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:34 am 
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There were deaths on both sides - students and soldiers. The details give a more accurate picture : majority of the students opted to leave the square while those who stubbornly persisted on confronting the government and armed forces suffered casualties.

http://www.alternativeinsight.com/Tiananmen.html

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The most credible reporting of the events at Tiananmen Square is depicted in a video documentary entitled: The Gate of Heavenly Peace, © Long Bow Group, Inc. All Rights Reserved. This report contains video footage by a Spanish television crew and has been shown on Frontline and PBS stations. The complete report and video can be accessed at http://www.tsquare.tv/film/transcript01.html. A pertinent excerpt from the narration is shown below. The speakers are students and allied persons who protested at Tiananmen Square.

FENG CONGDE: At around 3:30, the four people on the hunger strike came to talk to the students. They said, "Blood is being spilled all over the city. More than enough blood has already been shed to awaken the people. We know you're not afraid of dying, but leaving now doesn't mean that you're cowards."

HOU DEJIAN: Chai Ling told us she had heard that leading government reformers hoped that the students could stay on the Square until daybreak. So Liu Xiaobo told her: "I don't care if it's true or not, but no leader has the right to gamble with thousands of students' lives at the Square."

FENG CONGDE: Finally our student headquarters told them, "You can go ahead and negotiate, but you can't represent us."

HOU DEJIAN: So we went ourselves. We got into a van and drove only a few seconds before we saw the soldiers, all lined up on Changan Avenue. As we got closer the soldiers pointed their guns at us. They didn't know what we were up to. A few minutes later, an officer appeared. He listened to what we had to say and went to report to his superiors. He came back and told us that they had agreed to our request. He said, "We hope you can convince the students to leave the Square." We rushed back to the monument to tell the students. Their opinions were divided.

NARRATION: There was little time to debate. The troops sequestered in the nearby Great Hall of the People now came out and moved toward the Monument. Soldiers with guns at the ready converged on the students from all directions.

LIANG XIAOYAN: The soldiers came right up in front of us. They were in full battle gear. The students all stood up. I was in the front row, with a gun pointing straight at my chest. It was only a few inches away. The soldiers looked really mean. Only later did the terror hit me. At the time I was simply stunned. I didn't feel a thing. I can't imagine what would have happened had they really opened fire.

FENG CONGDE: I was in charge of the vote to determine whether we should leave. I said, "On the count of three, those who want to go, shout 'Go!'; those who vote to stay shout 'Stay!'" I couldn't tell which side was louder.

HOU DEJIAN: I knew that those who wanted to leave would be ashamed to shout very loud, while those who wanted to stay would shout with all their might.

FENG CONGDE: Because of this situation, I felt that when the two sides sounded about the same, most likely more people voted to leave. So I announced the decision to leave.

NARRATION: At dawn on June 4th, after occupying the Square for more than three weeks, all the remaining students and their teachers and supporters left Tiananmen Square.

HOU DEJIAN was born in Taiwan in 1956, became a singer-songwriter, and achieved fame with his 1979 song "Children of the Dragon." During the protest movement, Hou took part in the four-man hunger strike of June 2nd. Chinese language newspapers (outside of China) published Hou Dejian's account of the final hours in Tiananmen Squarequare. In one interview, Hou Dejian related:

"Some people said that two hundred died in the Square and others claimed that two thousand died. There were also stories of tanks running over students who were trying to leave. I have to say that I did not see any of that. I don't know where those people did. I myself was in the Square until six thirty in the morning.
I kept thinking, are we going to use lies to attack an enemy who lies? Aren't facts powerful enough? To tell lies against our enemy's lies only satisfies our need to vent our anger, but it's a dangerous thing to do. Maybe your lies will be exposed, and you'll be powerless to fight your enemy."


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 Post subject: Hazy Scene of Gunshots but no witnesses?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:37 am 
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Columbia Journalism Review, September/October 1998,

The Myth of Tiananmen and the Price of a Passive Press, Jay Mathews.

For the complete article go to: http://www.cjr.org/year/98/5/tiananmen.asp

Note: Jay Mathews was the Washington Post's first Beijing bureau chief and returned in 1989 to cover the Tiananmen demonstrations.

"Over the last decade, many American reporters and editors have accepted a mythical version of that warm, bloody night (Ed: June 4, 1989). They repeated it often before and during Clinton's trip. On the day the president arrived in Beijing, a Baltimore Sun headline (June 27, page 1A) referred to 'Tiananmen, where Chinese students died.' A USA Today article (June 26, page 7A) called Tiananmen the place 'where pro-democracy demonstrators were gunned down.' The Wall Street Journal (June 26, page A10) described 'the Tiananmen Square massacre' where armed troops ordered to clear demonstrators from the square killed 'hundreds or more.' The New York Post (June 25, page 22) said the square was 'the site of the student slaughter.'"

"The problem is this: as far as can be determined from the available evidence, no one died that night in Tiananmen Square. A few people may have been killed by random shooting on streets near the square, but all verified eyewitness accounts say that the students who remained in the square when troops arrived were allowed to leave peacefully. Hundreds of people, most of them workers and passersby, did die that night, but in a different place and under different circumstances."

"Most of the hundreds of foreign journalists that night, including me, were in other parts of the city or were removed from the square so that they could not witness the final chapter of the student story. Those who tried to remain close filed dramatic accounts that, in some cases, buttressed the myth of a student massacre."

"For example, CBS correspondent Richard Roth's story of being arrested and removed from the scene refers to 'powerful bursts of automatic weapons, raging gunfire for a minute and a half that lasts as long as a nightmare. Black and Munro quote a Chinese eyewitness who says the gunfire was from army commandos shooting out the student loudspeakers at the top of the monument. A BBC reporter watching from a high floor of the Beijing Hotel said he saw soldiers shooting at students at the monument in the center of the square. But as the many journalists who tried to watch the action from that relatively safe vantage point can attest, the middle of the square is not visible from the hotel."


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 Post subject: Misinformation by media : Tiananmen Sqaure Happenings
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http://www.alternativeinsight.com/Tiananmen.html

Why are media deliberately mis-characterizing the events at Tiananmen Square?

After seven weeks of student occupation of Tiananmen Square the PLA had orders to clear the square of the student protesters who had refused several government orders to vacate. In the government's view, China's most important square had become a garbage dump that promoted anarchy and disease. The continous refusal of the students to leave the square threatened the government's control. The reporting of the PLA clearing of the student protesters from Tiananmen Square is separate from the reporting of the army's attack from entry into Beijing up to Tiananmen Square. The latter attack caused loss of life for those who battled the PLA in a city under martial law. A discussion of that attack requires other information than shown in this report and should consider the exigencies in combating martial law. The events are not unique to Beijing. U.S. government actions in suppressing riots of its African-American citizens in several U.S. cities also resulted in a huge loss of African American life.

The immediate fabrications of the happenings in Tiananmen Square undoubtedly proceeded from overzealous reporters who did not want to be scooped on their stories. In the turmoil, the confusing atmosphere and the efforts to publish dramatic accounts, the reporters accepted rumors and associated each gunfire sound with willful murder. The recent editorials and other articles, all of which should be aware of the lack of veracity in their accounts, must have other motives:

By intimating that a massacre occurred at Tiananmen Square, the media disguised the careless behavior of the students.The protesters were wise not to combat the Chinese military and sacrifice themselves for their cause. That is understandable. However, if they had left Tiananmen Square one day earlier, martial law would not have been proclaimed, the Peoples Liberation Army would not have entered Beijing, and the catastrophe and deaths would not have occurred.

The concocted scenarios exalt the exiled student leaders and create the impression they have already made their sacrifices and are excused from pursuing further actions. The inability of student leaders in exile to continue their protest efforts have made many question the programs and tactics of those who characterized themselves as a pro-democracy movement at Tiananmen Square. The scenario of the events of June 3-4, 1989 at Tiananmen Square has been rewritten to emphasize student heroism and attribute total brutality to the Chinese government.

Although within Tiananmen Square, eye witness accounts validate the restraint of a highly charged PLA, the earlier reports of a massacre within the square still remain as history. That history prevents circulation of the knowledges that within Tiananmen Square :

(1) no student was detained or arrested within the square,
(2) no attempt was made to block their exits,
(3) the Chinese government's statement that the army entered Beijing to clear the square of the protesters appears correct and
(4) assertions that the government only intended to brutalize the students into submission are incorrect.


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 Post subject: Former Student Leaders of Tiananmen - where are they now?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:50 am 
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The authorities have gradually relaxed demonstrations and there are few students arrested for their involvement in the 4 June 1989 protests who remain in the prisons now. Last year, the Chinese government released Xi Haoliang who participated in the Tiananmen pro-democracy protests. He wasn't even a student but a construction worker in Bejing who joined a crowd burning debris to prevent troops entering the Chinese capital.

The shortlived Tiananmen protests will always remain at the back of people's minds even as the Chinese population rallied strongly behind the government's economic blaze. What happened to the prominent "leaders" and other participants of Tiananmen demonstrations?

Wuer Kaixi, a key leader, fled and is now living in Taiwan. His testimony and campaign critical of the CCP has lost much of the appeal and interest of the Chinese and international audience.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3757433.stm

Chai Ling, one of the most radical of the 1989 student leaders, fled to France and subsequently the US. A plastic surgeon gave her the double-eyelids, a disguise to flee the authorities, she says. She started a Massachusetts-based company that develops intranets for universities. She has been criticised for abandoning her cause. Some have accused her of milking her dissident credentials to get into Ivy League colleges (Princeton for a masters in public affairs and Harvard for an MBA).

www.tsquare.tv/film/jenzabar.html
http://www.pathfinder.com/asiaweek/99/0604/sr4.html

Wang Dan was considered one of the more moderate student leaders of 1989. Nonetheless, he spent more than six years in jail. He was freed from a Chinese prison for medical reasons and was among the last wave to arrive in the US.

Unlike Chai Ling and others, Wang urged protesters to leave the square when Beijing threatened to send in the military. He blames himself for the lives that were lost in June 1989. "No matter how worthy our aims were," Wang said, "when so many people are killed, then the achievement doesn't count."

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9806/28/kids.89/

It was estimated that more than 100 civilians died and many involved or helped in the protests were imprisoned. A number of soldiers and policemen were also killed by the crowds and military vehicles torched.

The fact that Wen Jiabao is now Premier may have helped in the healing process. Wen a protege of the reformist Zhao Ziyang, was at the scene to negotiate with the student leaders. Zhao's purge for being sympathetic to the students' cause did not set back Wen's prospects for long, as he managed to win the trust and appreciation of successive leaders. The victims - students and soldiers who died - did not sacrifice in vain.


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 Post subject: From the CIA and State Department : Tiananmen documents
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Read with a pinch of salt but we get the general idea of the chaotic and precarious situation and the need to restore order.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSA ... index.html

Document 3, a U.S. embassy report from late December 1985, notes that two student demonstrations had occurred in Beijing in the last several days. These demonstrations concerned student issues, the presence of the PLA on campus, as well as nuclear testing in Xinjiang province. The cable comments that "we do find a bit astonishing a demonstration in China ... on nuclear weapons testing."

Document 8, a State Department intelligence summary submitted to the Secretary on the morning of June 2, notes that hard-liners "remain unable to resolve the leadership crisis or to remove students from Tiananmen Square." The next day’s morning intelligence summary (Document 9) reports on the first use of force on both sides--with the police firing tear gas on crowds gathered near Tiananmen and the crowds retaliating by stoning the police.

The Secretary of State’s intelligence summary for the following morning (Document 13) reports that "deaths from the military assault on Tiananmen Square range from 180 to 500; thousands more have been injured." It also describes how "thousands of civilians stood their ground or swarmed around military vehicles. APCs were set on fire, and demonstrators besieged troops with rocks, bottles, and Molotov cocktails."

June 5 (Document 18) reports that armored units from the PLA's 27th Army "seem poised for attack by other PLA units," and notes that a "western military attaché" largely blames the 27th for the June 3 massacre, and says that the 27th "is accused of killing even the soldiers of other units when they got in the way."


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 Post subject: Re: From the CIA and State Department : Tiananmen documents
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XP wrote:

Why are media deliberately mis-characterizing the events at Tiananmen Square?

Well, by now we should all know that the Western media, especially English language news site from Anglo-Saxon countries have double standards and will definitely be biased against the authorities of countries on earth who could stood up to them. It's time to follow Lee Kuan Yew's footsteps and start suing them for mass mis-information!


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 Post subject: Civil disobedience is how I see it!
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USA is the world's judge, jury and executioner? A double standard beholds this nation that has invaded a country illegally, killed millions of innocent Iraqi citizens and imprisoned and tortured prisoners in Guantanamo and other unknown prison cells around the world. China has not whispered to the US to release any of these so-called terrorists to their home countries let alone have these prisoners retain legal counsel. Will China attempt to make these overtures to US or China just feels that it is not within their boundary to raise this issue.

When a capital city called Beijing was besieged by "student demonstrators" calling for democratic reforms for almost 2 months, any responsible government would act to restore order. US has no better records in affording demonstrations in DC or Kent State( during Vietnam war era) where a few students were shot by National Guards. Many of the "student agitators" were later found to be financed and trained by foreign agencies bent on creating havoc in China. As you notice, many of these leaders had found their way to the West. They basically had sold their souls to the West.

Read the hypocrisy......

US urges China to release Tiananmen prisoners

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WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States on Tuesday urged China to give a full account of the 1989 massacre at Tiananmen Square and release prisoners taken during the protests, a State Department spokesman said.

"The time for the Chinese government to provide the fullest possible public accounting of the thousands killed, detained, or missing in the massacre that followed the protests is long overdue," Sean McCormack said in a statement on the eve of the 19th anniversary of what China has called the "June Fourth incident."

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Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang told reporters in Beijing earlier that China would not revise its verdict on the protests after calls to stop labeling the student movement a "counterrevolutionary rebellion."

"Regarding the political incident that took place at the end of the 1980s, there is already a clear conclusion," he told reporters one day ahead of the anniversary of the protests on Wednesday.

He would not be drawn further on the subject, saying the events in 1989 were an internal matter for China, and also brushed aside calls for the improvement of human rights ahead of the Olympic Games in August.



http://asia.news.yahoo.com/080603/afp/0 ... cnews.html


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 Post subject: Truths about Tiananmen : students attacked military
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I realized that some of these have been posted by XP12 earlier. More to add on the myths of Tiananmen from leaders who have good resources, researchers and reading of China politics and history.

Singapore Minister of Foreign Affairs George Yeo wrote on his blog :

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While one might reasonably argue that the student uprising at Tiananmen could have been put down with less bloodshed, few doubt that China could be where it is today without strong and decisive leadership.


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Chinese troops did not have anti-riot gears. That's the problem when a country is poor.

See US declassified documents:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSA ... /09-01.htm
Troops initially unarmed but were driven back by protesters.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSA ... /13-01.htm
“thousands of civilians stood their ground or swarmed around military vehicles. APCs were set on fire, and demonstrators besieged troops with rocks, bottles, and Molotov cocktails.”

Zhao Ziyang mentions in his recently published memoirs that the PLA was attacked.

I just learned that Molotov cocktails have been used in the WW2 as anti-tank weapons.

Weapons of wars, terrorism and riots. Anti-tank weapons.
http://www.winterwar.com/Weapons/FinAT/ ... tm#molotov

Many protesters were armed - some with Molotov Cocktails. There were dark organized forces at work. You see a lot of fires and burnt vehicles in many Tiananmen videos.

You must view this. They are the most complete videos I have seen. Series 1 to 3 all in Mandarin; all produced by the PLA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otTbOxLe ... re=related

換個角度看六四 八九天安門事件解放軍縂政治部資料片(一)
由解放軍縂政治部拍攝的珍貴官方片斷,雖然片中官方有意"忽略" 了部隊使用過份武力的片段,但也提醒我們重新思考,支聯會年年反 復播放的片段中,是否也有意"忽略"了部分史實?偏聼則暗兼聼則明,無論大陸抑或港澳臺和海外的華人都應該對所謂"反革命暴亂" 或者"屠城"的偏激看法作一次重新的認識。

Posted by: MatthewTan | June 05, 2009 at 04:38 PM


http://beyondsg.typepad.com/beyondsg/20 ... -june.html


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 Post subject: Student protests were an elitist movement : not democracy
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Fujian student protests

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When Li Peng imposed martial law on Beijing on 20 May, the quality of the Fujian demonstrations changed. Some students became more cautious, others bolder.

Fujian officials were reluctant to take tough measures against demonstrators, perhaps because they could not predict the outcome of the crisis. Some officials informally said this was an issue for the central government, not local authorities.


An elitist movement

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As in Beijing, the chief slogan of the demonstrators was 'democracy'. The meaning of democracy for most Fuzhou demonstrators was vague at best. Their demand had little relationship to Western concepts of popular rule. In the words of Jackie Smith, an American studying Chinese, 'When I asked a student in Fuzhou what democracy meant for her, she defined it as a policy of accepting [educated] people into government roles based upon their skills and not upon their connections. As the system is now, she and many others - though they may be qualified - are unable to enter governing positions'. (4) Others were horrified at the suggestion that truly popular elections would have to include peasants, who would certainly out-vote educated people like themselves.

Fuzhou students seemed mostly concerned with improving their own economic situations. Although students make up only 2 per cent of the college-age population in China, in Fujian they rarely reached out to other groups. Specific complaints about a lack of personal or press freedom almost never reached our ears; they were not prominent even in the slogans shouted. What the intellectuals deeply resented was financial pressures, fearing a drop in living standards. The hottest topic among educators, and the students at our university, who were all future teachers, was the low wages and bad living conditions for teachers. Many students firmly believed that US teachers are the most highly-paid members of society, while Chinese teachers make less money than the lowest peasant or street peddler. This mix of doggedly optimistic ignorance about the West and gloom about their own position in Chinese society formed the basic ideology of the student demonstrators.


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The official Chinese media reported far more than most foreigners realize. Even when the editorial twist was hostile, one could glean important information. The Fujian Daily and the Fuzhou Evening News emphasized student apologies for disrupting public order in their 20 May front page accounts of blocking the train tracks. Highlighting the apologies may have been a deliberate effort to protect the students. Other reports gave detailed accounts of riots in Xi'an and Chengdu, complete transcripts of Li Peng's televised meeting with student demonstrators, and of Tom Brokaw's interview with Yuan Mu.


http://www.tsquare.tv/links/KRAUS.html


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